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Marvin Kosh:
Made it to the core. Made it all the way back home. Surprised someone didn't turn my homeworld into an asteroid field while I was gone.
Uplifting new empires can pass some time. It's amusing to come back and watch the tribes dive for cover, or doodle next to cities when they finally become civs. Best of all, whatever nasty things you do to them before they reach the space stage, they don't attribute to you. So, let loose the epic creatures of doom and watch the stompage.
Faizah:
I read somewhere that Mini-Me's recharge time is the same as its existence time. I just tested it on easy, and, it is. So it should be possible to keep a Mini-Me active indefinitely, just annoying.
I don't know if that's necessarily true for every difficulty level, though.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: Faizah on 2008 September 27, 04:06:49
I read somewhere that Mini-Me's recharge time is the same as its existence time. I just tested it on easy, and, it is. So it should be possible to keep a Mini-Me active indefinitely, just annoying.
I believe it was two minutes, and I don't think the recharge varies by difficulty. However, if it manages to get itself blown up, you will be without it until it recharges. Plus, all powers are recharged when the game is loaded.
Truth is, though, like other allies, the mini-me is mostly useless.
Gus Smedstad:
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2008 September 27, 02:04:21
Winning economically when you yourself are not economic to start is really a pain in the nutsack, yes.
Yeah, I just tried for this and screwed myself.
I managed Red -> Red -> Green, though going from Red to Green is not particularly easy in Tribal. The suggestion you had earlier of killing a tribe member or two and then bribing doesn't work; you take a bigger hit from killing tribe members than you gain from the bribe. I tried letting them decay naturally from Neutral to Unhappy and then bribing, but didn't seem to be making much progress. Still, I managed it by converting all 5 tribes.
Then I started on a map with just one economic city. I grabbed most of the spice geysers on my continent, but by the time I was ready to launch an assault, one of the military cities had taken it. So there was nothing left but military and religious cities.
Then I did the dumb thing. I saved the game. Little did I know the consequences, but I didn't want to sit through Tribal again.
There's no option to restart, so I disbanded everything and sold all my buildings. Soon enough I was wiped out. I've never lost a Civ stage, and I expected it would restart me from the map start.
Uh, no. It restarted from the last save game. Which was already too late. Crap. I don't really want to go through all that again.
- Gus
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: Gus Smedstad on 2008 September 27, 06:46:48
I managed Red -> Red -> Green, though going from Red to Green is not particularly easy in Tribal.
Sure it is.
Quote from: Gus Smedstad on 2008 September 27, 06:46:48
The suggestion you had earlier of killing a tribe member or two and then bribing doesn't work; you take a bigger hit from killing tribe members than you gain from the bribe. I tried letting them decay naturally from Neutral to Unhappy and then bribing, but didn't seem to be making much progress. Still, I managed it by converting all 5 tribes.
It will be necessary to convert all 5 tribes peacefully in order to achieve a green finish starting from red. Still, it is not exactly hard to do this, as it is rather formulaic.
Quote from: Gus Smedstad on 2008 September 27, 06:46:48
Then I started on a map with just one economic city. I grabbed most of the spice geysers on my continent, but by the time I was ready to launch an assault, one of the military cities had taken it. So there was nothing left but military and religious cities.
You can still achieve an economic finish without the benefit of any economic cities to capture through acquiring an economic vehicle or two from a goody hut. The yield of a goody hut is random and determined at pillage, so figure it out. You can receive randomly either money or a vehicle. The vehicle, specifically an economic vehicle, is what you want.
Quote from: Gus Smedstad on 2008 September 27, 06:46:48
Then I did the dumb thing. I saved the game. Little did I know the consequences, but I didn't want to sit through Tribal again.
* J. M. Pescado P&L.
Why did you save AGAIN after already saving when you first started? You should save BEFORE leaving Tribal, and again immediately after examining the map to make sure there are tribal huts to pillage on your continent.
If you haven't deleted your game in a fit of pique, RRGG is not so bad either. The Green-Civ perk is useless, but +50% spice production isn't all that awesome because production tends to be quickly limited by planetary capacity anyway. It's the BEST of the 3, but not good enough to REALLY fuss over. Also, RRGG immediately gives you the Zealot archetype, which is the best super-power to start with, anyway. All is not lost. Arguably the benefits of having Zealot to start are better than having Spice Savant to start. RRGB/BRGB is merely an exercise in ultimate endpoint power ignoring the path in getting there. An RRGB Zealot is better than an RRGG Zealot, but an RRGG Zealot will get there faster. You decide whether to keep going or not. RRGB gets you the kind of lame Knight archetype, BRGB gets you Bard (better, but not AWESOME). You will have to convert by finding Spodists, allying, and converting. The quest to convert to Zealot is pretty easy, though: Colonize 15 planets, which is what I got. Not sure if it is really 25 and it retroactively counts previousy efforts, or if it's really just 15, but either way, it doesn't matter: To do this the "cheap" way without the effort of actually having to max out 15 planets (45 colony pods, 15 uber turrets/spice storages/bioprotect/biostab, and a bajillion buildings), simply get 15 colony packs and drop one on a planet, bomb your own colony to death, and recolonize again 15 times. Or some combination of real-colonization and fake-colonization. Note that you must colonize, it does not count if you invade or buy.
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