Survey on VS
witch:
@dizzy - I thought I could keep out of the politics. I figured the large influx of bbs kiddies to VS would look for downloads and spend their time composing siggies. I suspected they wouldn't be involved in politics, would expect an authoritarian approach to posts and threads and I would get to disseminate my lots across a wider audience.
When I joined VS it was on the cusp of Pescado leaving, though because I don't go to chat or read politics much, I didn't know he was leaving. I nearly didn't post there anyway when I found out that some shit had gone down & JM was outta there, but then decided to give VS the benefit of the doubt.
As time passed I became more uncomfortable about being allied with the site, I didn't know any of the people and never managed to post there, apart from lots, because I found MATY far more interesting. I never really felt part of the site, though I didn't make any efforts that way myself either.
In the end, when I saw the irrational behaviour it just felt too hypocritical to stay. To an old feminist, the political is personal, even though it gets harder to summon the energy for each fight. And Cabelle is right, I had no desire to communicate personally with any of 'that thread' participants.
@motoki - as Laeshanin says, harsh but fair. My dealings with VS admin were always pleasant and helpful whilst I was there but never with a great warm welcome, they do indeed wish to be known as a modding site primarily, they definitely said while I was there they didn't want any more lot builders and fair enough, that's their choice, I was pleased enough to have my lots hosted for a time. Motoki, I don't understand how people can stay neutral either, I wanted to, I tried to, but I had an unease that nagged. Peoples' encouraging words here were a trigger, not a cause of my leaving VS.
@Inge - Your tale makes me bloody glad I didn't send any private messages to VS site admin letting them know what I was up to! Part of why I left a post was so VS posters would see an explanation of the fact that I disappeared, I can appreciate why you wanted your readers to have continuity.
@Cabelle - yes, once I made my decision I just wanted out of there as fast as possible, quick, clean, no argument. Scorched earth policy is a good description of that debating tactic.
@motoki - I thought about what was there and leaving the lots up that were already there, but I wanted no connection whatsoever. I think the site will implode. Edit: Sorry, sorry, forgot where I was for the moment. The site will explode of course, burninating into a BFBVFS.
@bangelnuts - was it the starter homes you were after? PM me, most are small enough to email. All other lots should still be hosted on thesims2ea.com username = bolshywitch. You just won't see my glorious piccies. ;)
@oddyssey - except when victorians start slinging crates of tea off boats during a tea-party, then you can see the politics. :P
Motoki:
Witch: I know you're an adult and can well make up your own mind, but I must admit I started to feel a little guilt that I may have in some small way been responsible for what went down over there last night and at a time when I've told myself to stay out of the drama (which is hard for me lol!). Ultimately, I know we weren't the cause of you leaving but merely a few more straws loaded onto the camel's back, but it's nice to hear it come from you nonetheless.
I didn't mean to imply it was immature on your part to leave like that either. Hell, from what I gather you're a lot politer than I would have been. And I've no room to talk in that department as I got pissed a while back and took down all my stuff from MTS2 when some stuff went down between Delphy and I. In a perfect world, it would be nice if people could at least part from sites amicably but that's not been my experience and obviously not yours either. I very much agree with you that the personal is political and I know I could not associate myself with any site where those running it were behaving in a manner I found mean spirited and disrespectful of others so I do understand where you were coming from and why you did what you did.
Oh and about the Exchange and pictures, they do let you upload your own screenshots. I've seen some lots there where you can click on the little camera icon on the right side and access more pictures.
Sagana:
Unless you've a problem with them, or a problem waiting for approval (lots seem to get approved pretty quickly imo) or think they won't approve them, I think MTS2 is a good place to upload things (at least, I much prefer downloading from there than from the exchange :)) You can have any kind of screenshots you like.
dizzy:
Like it or not, Witch, you have made a political statement. I won't debate whether your statement is correct, but I will dispute whether you chose the right method.
There is no policy at VS about what forum owners can post other than the general policy against "harmful" posts (like obscene material or direct threats). You could, for example, simply make a statement that you object to certain opinions. You could also question whether the matter was resolved and deserves to be reopened. You could dispute any of the assertions that you found unpleasant or objectionable. It would be useful if there was such a thread for those who feel most strongly about it. Given that there isn't one, I have to question whether you really do feel that strongly about it, or whether you simply prefer to avoid the issue.
If there were, for example, some decree by the admins that further limited my own freedom to post, I would make a general statement on my disappointment with such a policy, perhaps post a poll on the matter, and maybe in some remote way hint that an ultimatum was on the way. That would be how I could best serve my interests.
Of course, I hate politics and I understand why you would avoid a lengthy dispute, but there is no avoiding making a statement of some kind.
witch:
Yes, I could have done any number of things, most of your suggestions involve becoming a participant and yes, you're also right that I choose not to participate.
Being adult means making decisions, taking action and handling any consequent fallout. Yes, I made a strong statement - intentionally.
I have no issue with any other members of VS, including you :) I think you should totally stick with what you feel comfortable doing, working within is just another way of trying to effect change. Please don't feel defensive if some posters here disagree, at least we can discuss these issues like adults.
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