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Motoki:
Well you obviously thought just several hours ago there was a compelling enough reason for you to compose a "a thoughtful, heartfelt goodbye". I've always felt where one hosts their files does reflect on them and the way Pam and her little lynch mob have treated people like Pescado, Numenor and Quaxi I personally wouldn't do anything to help promote her or her site even indirectly.
However you can do whatever the hell you want Dizzy, I really don't care. I just think it's a bunch of shit to let her pin the deletion of that thread on Witch. Witch didn't come over to her house, log onto her computer and delete it. She did and that's censorship no matter how Pam tries to justify it. As I pointed out, she also had the option of just deleting Witch's replies, which would have been bad but not as bad, but she just yanked out the whole thread. I think she must have realized the whole thing is spiraling out of control and is trying to do some damage control, but she needs to take responsibility for her actions and not blame it on someone else.
Inge:
Being Pam means never having to say you're sorry...
I think I can see where Dizzy is coming from, I think he's trying to keep his modding separate from community politics. Some of us have been personally insulted or embarrassed by rentechd, and Dizzy obviously doesn't feel he has been. On the other hand he's an easy-going guy and if I'd been him I *would* have felt insulted by rentechd jumping into *my* forum, in *my* thread about my cloning and distribution policies and telling everyone her opinion of my policy. Yes it's a point for debate on a sims forum somewhere, but no not on the space she had allocated *me* to run. That would have smacked to me of weight-pulling - basically disrespectful.
But I have to practice what I preach and respect Dizzy's own decisions for his own work. He's helped me out in the past and I wouldn't want to fall out over it.
Motoki:
Quote from: Inge on 2005 October 23, 13:50:33
I think I can see where Dizzy is coming from, I think he's trying to keep his modding separate from community politics.
See and I guess I just don't think that's possible in this community. I've become cynnical by having had to be a refugee going from site to site when the shit starts flying, but as I've mentioned above in my personal opinion the only way to completely avoid getting caught up in this kind of crap is to have your own site or host your stuff somewhere neutral at least (ie the Exchange, FilePlanet, Geocities, Yahoo etc).
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Some of us have been personally insulted or embarrassed by rentechd, and Dizzy obviously doesn't feel he has been.
That's fine, that's his right. I guess I am just a your screw with my friends then you screw with me type of person and don't really understand how people can stay neutral, but if they can more power to them. That's why I'm not going over there and never looked at that thread because I know I would feel compelled to comment and get sucked in. :P
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On the other hand he's an easy-going guy and if I'd been him I *would* have felt insulted by rentechd jumping into *my* forum, in *my* thread about my cloning and distribution policies and telling everyone her opinion of my policy. Yes it's a point for debate on a sims forum somewhere, but no not on the space she had allocated *me* to run. That would have smacked to me of weight-pulling - basically disrespectful.
I saw that too and wondered what the hell her problem was putting her two cents in like that.
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But I have to practice what I preach and respect Dizzy's own decisions for his own work. He's helped me out in the past and I wouldn't want to fall out over it.
Obviously he can do what he wants. I'm not going to lie, I have my own opinions about it, but who the hell am I to tell someone else what to do? Anyhow, Pam's 'Oh witch made me delete the thread' bullshit irritated me far more than Dizzy's I'm leaving, wait, I'm staying stuff.
laeshanin:
Quote from: dizzy-two on 2005 October 23, 12:04:10
Well, I was going to flee for the hills when I heard that they were planning to delete the thread, but they convinced me that it was simply the inconvenient way that witch suddenly left that urged them (and not, you know, censorship). I'm inclined to believe it, since there are still threads and posts of mine on VS in other forums that arouse RentechD's sincere disapproval even more than what was said in that goodbye thread.
How can you have an "inconvenient way of leaving", and I read the post Witch left? She wasn't rude, or inflammatory in any way, just stated that she had doubts and real concerns, which is fair. Hmmm, I think it still smacks of spite and knee-jerk reaction, which seems to be a way for some people to deal with confrontation/criticism whether it is negative or otherwise. ???
Motoki:
Quote from: laeshanin on 2005 October 23, 14:15:01
How can you have an "inconvenient way of leaving", and I read the post Witch left? She wasn't rude, or inflammatory in any way, just stated that she had doubts and real concerns, which is fair. Hmmm, I think it still smacks of spite and knee-jerk reaction, which seems to be a way for some people to deal with confrontation/criticism whether it is negative or otherwise. ???
It's all lies. It's just her way to manipulate him into staying because she places more value on him as a creator due to his hacks. Notice while she made an overture to get Dizzy to stay, she didn't even try with Witch, in fact she used her as a scapegoat. If Witch was making hacks I'd bet you money she'd be kissing her ass to stay too.
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