Survey on VS
witch:
Nothing to do with Maxis except that VS were given 50 discs of the new platform sims to give away as prizes. I believe a rep from VS attended a presentation at some point - didn't really pay much attention, I think the discs are only playable in America.
It was up to VS how they decided to give these away. There was a discussion, I didn't follow it, saw the announcement here about the survey, so that must be how they decided to give away the discs. I know Maxis was pretty strict that they should be spread around the community, not just shared out with site staff.
witch:
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2005 October 21, 20:22:40
Quote from: laeshanin on 2005 October 21, 16:59:25
This nonsensical behaviour isn't limited to Sim's forums either. Other forum's I have personal interest in are also full of people who are quite obviously thwarted despots. And the rivalry...! Dearie me... ::)
My system runs on despotism tempered by apathy.
Resulting in the anarchy we have come to depend upon and enjoy here.
witch:
Quote from: Motoki on 2005 October 21, 12:34:58
I'd offer to host you Witch, but I'm done hosting people or otherwise going into any joint sites with people.
Thanks for the might-have-been offer. ;) I hear what you're saying and I agree, ethically that sucks. In the situation I'm in now I can see the downside of joint sites, or being hosted by sites. Glad you decided to come back and have another look at the community. :)
As for Delphy, in reference to an earlier reply you made to me, I don't know him and know very little of him, so I'll just shut up now.
I don't know that I'm prolific enough or committed enough to have a whole site for my lots, I'm not keen on getting into hosting for other people or trying to build up forums or whatever, seems like there's plenty of those already & I know which ones I prefer. *cogitating now*
Motoki:
Honestly, while I used to agree disagree as I came from a community where there really weren't any single creator sites, I now have to say I think people in the TS2 community are best off just putting their stuff up themselves on their own site if at all possible. Pescado went from posting his stuff at the TSR boards as attachments, to MTS2 (with a stint at Worldsims somewhere in between) to VS and finally ended up getting his own place. I've pretty much followed his migrations myself more out of getting disgusted with said sites than to purposely follow him (not that he isn't a cool old fart in his own weird way ;) ). I just am tired of being a refugee. :p
I know Inge's always been big on people spreading out, putting up their own sites and just general decentralization of the TS2 creation community and I've got to agree with her. In some communities, a few central site works and works well. In this community (and likely others) it just breeds greed, drama and megalomania.
I think where one has their stuff says something about them. That's why I yanked my few things from MTS2 some time ago. I did let a couple of people put a couple of my things on TSR of all places, but they were nice people and I felt bad about saying no (despite how I come off sometimes I'm really an old softie) and I felt letting someone else repost it wasn't the same as me posting it, the latter which at least in my opinion suggest some support of the site on my part where the former to me just says I have a very open sharing policy.
I have to really frank and admit that when you posted about your houses on VS my first reaction was to not want to go there and download them. I feel bad saying that, but I really dislike the place, the person who runs it, and the way she has treated myself an others. I actually did go there and download them and they're quite nice as I do love starter homes. :) I don't want to post there and don't ever intend to except for a brief recent post about my picture frames since TwoJeffs had an old link and someone had pmed me about it (it was an old PM as I hadn't logged in there in ages).
Every time this Sims drama crap goes down some very nice people get caught up in it. People leave the site and the exposure for their items that were made to be shared is lessened. When the aforementioned people I talked about above and myself had our big blow out, there were several other innocent parties there on the site, including a very nice lady whom I had invited and set up with a place to host her files. At first they took her section out on the 'new' site, but I asked that they keep hosting her stuff because she was an innocent party and thankfully they granted me at least that much.
Anyway, I'm babbling, but yeah, I think everyone should put their stuff up on their own, even if it means just some barebones page on their isp or geocities or whatever with links to the actual files on the Exchange or FilePlanet or RapidShare or hell even a yahoo group.
Sagana:
I can't believe I read that thread... and honestly that is one of the worst I've ever seen, and I've been around the gaming community and a variety of other places that can have some pretty big blowouts, for a long time. It's all full of overly dramatic exaggeration and misinformation and I don't even know Carrigon but she sounds kinda... out there.
None of these people must do very much html coding. Hasn't anyone ever used a wsiwig editor and then looked at the (side note: usually really really bad) code? Many of them (a particularly notorious piece of worthless junk by MS but many others as well) insert "created by" and copyright notices at the top of every page of html output using them - either in comments (that is, commented out in the code) or in meta tags (also invisible to joe public but easy to find if you actually look at the code - this page and VS have nice w3c lines, which is actually much more appropriate.) The creators of the editor certainly didn't *invent* html (not that Berners-Lee ever really gets the credit he deserves), nor do they own the copyright on the design, but they let everyone know their software was used in the process. And they don't "announce" they're doing it (you won't find it in the docs.)
Oh, and the opensource community does tons of things like that - all the various source codes for multi-user dimensions gives credit in the code to the original creators (many of whom left the community years previously - one way or another), and the license *requires* that that credit be untouched and that credit *also* be posted visibly for all who log in.
"Secret" credit lines :p Try and create a pdf without Adobe's name all over it - really... none of those companies give a whit if you own the copyright on the material you're creating on their programs, they're certainly putting their names into them any and everywhere they can (and for a pdf, you probably actually created it with some other program and did nothing but save it in that format for transferring.)
And no, your computer won't explode from CEP, and no someone can't just steal your work by inaccurately announcing a copyright. Copyright law is tricky, and it might be hard to prove if said person was fighting it (tho anyone with reasonable amounts of backups and developmental clutter on their computer could probably do it easily), but copyright is attached when the work is created, not when the notice is applied. *Claiming* something (truely or falsely, maliciously or benignly) is not the same as *having* something. Neither Numenor, RGiles (who I rather miss :p), nor MTS2 owns the copyright on any object created by someone else, whether they say they do or not (which I gather they don't). Although actually fighting for copyright on an object that requires Maxis' game to work would be opening a rather large can of worms anyways. None of us (not even EA) want to go there.
Snide remark: Wouldn't promotions generally be given based on the work done *at* the company, and certainly shouldn't job performance ratings be based on that, rather than (hopefully) extensive amounts of off-work time on a hobby? I've used freelance, voluntary work, or even self-promotional pieces as a part of my portfolio, but I can't see handing my bosses furniture and clothes created for the Sims2 and hoping that would aid in earning me a promotion - I think they'd be concerned my mind, if not company resources, wasn't more on my hobby than my job. </snide remark>
I'm not a big MTS2 fan - I like it well enough in some respects. In others I don't at all. But that was ridiculous and paranoid and... well just ... not completely sane...
(Yes I know I shouldn't drag it in here, but even if I could post there, I'd rather not, and I just felt a need to say something - so ya'll got stuck with my vent.)
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