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cabelle:
Who knows Carrigon you could be correct, but since I'm not a creator of any sort I don't know. All I do know is when the thread deteriorated to personal insults, curse words and other forms of immature ranting I lost interest in trying to figure out what was correct. Sad but true, I lose all interest in a subject once the people involved start behaving in a vile and nasty manner to each other. We're supposed to be adults and handle our conflicts in a mature productive manner. What happened in that thread was the complete opposite. Hopefully the issue will be resolved at some point but it's going to take much more adult behavior than what I witnessed in that mess. I apologize if I offend but I just can't condone such deliberate unpleasantness.
Inge:
Carrigon, for what it's worth I was dismayed to see Numenor taking the path he did - it seemed a departure from the previous assumption of trust we creators have had - or at least in the Sims 1 world where many of us knew each other from. When I first heard Quaxi's plans to facilitate this I already expressed my misgivings.
What's gone wrong here is that instead of a considered debate of the ethics on neutral ground, it has been seen as fuelled and led by someone already well known for paranoia and a long list of supposed enemies. It was a bad move to start that on Variousimmers basically - where what could have been a productive thread was tainted by a bunch of w***ers whose messages no one could pull because they happened to be the admin or moderators!!! Weird for instance how I who didn't swear at all got put onto semi-suspended while the people who broke the site rules are still on the staff <shrug>. Seriously, if you want to restore your previous reputation you need to distance yourself from them.
Motoki:
You know, I really don't want this whole argument to spill over to this place. :(
I'll try to be as brief as possible and say that from what I know of Numenor, I'm certain he had no malicious intent in mind. To frame the decision they made to do this in a proper context, when the original CEP was created there were issues with TSR giving the proper credits and they were being kind of scheisty for a while. They even tried to throw money at the feet of Numenor and RGiles but they turned them down. Several people at MTS2 really had to push this issue and make a big stink about it for them to finally do it. I think there was a real fear at the time that TSR would take the tools that other modders make, claim them as their own and profit from them. I'm not necessarily saying the decision to insert that line is right or wrong, just what the mindset at the time may have been.
And I agree with Inge about Rennie. In my experience as well she is a paranoid who maintains this list of enemies that she plots revenge on. ::) She's obsessed with 'beating' MTS2, whatever the hell that means. Whether you meant to or not this whole thing added fuel to her fire the way I see it.
I also think it was in poor taste to make a public spectacle about it before trying to work it out with those in question privately. Or maybe you did but obviously I hadn't heard about that if you did. I'll agree with you that Delphy is a whole 'nother issue, but in my experience Numenor and Quaxi are quite reasonable.
crammyboy:
Carrigon
I think you need to get your facts right before shouting. Numenor and Quaxi did not insert this file into your package without you knowing, you did. You are the one that downloaded the CEP. You are the one that ran the object workshop. Without the CEP, you would have to do a lot more work just to get the recolour to work and I'm not even sure you know what that entails.
The MMAT file YOU put into your package was created by Numenor and RGiles, and I see no reason why they should not say so.
Inge:
The way I see it a lot of the problem arose because Rentechd insisted on only giving the link to the download on Quaxi's site because she doesn't like sending people to MTS2. That means that the people following her link didn't see the details which *did* inform us of the copyright inserts (it only started with CEP3, 1 and 2 did not have inserts). But then again maybe it was a mistake to have the download available in multiple sites to start with for this very reason.
But Numenor might have been mindful of the fact that some poeple were banned from MTS2 when he decided to allow Quaxi to host it in parallel. Unfortunately that perhaps considerate move backfired on him.
But you all know my views on using forums as download sites. People might need banning from a forum on occasions, but they rarely need banning from a web page. Why ever Numenor didn't do the really bright thing and put the file *on his own site* surrounded by the information about it where no one could miss it, I do not know. He could also have stated on that page that he would offer support on one or two named forums, which could have included MTS2, Ambertation, and VS to cover everyone.
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