The social worker made my sim pregnant!
cwykes:
This was really bizarre. I don't know if it's a one-off or repeatable glitch, no error was generated and & I didn't save for obvious reasons!
Mum is in the kitchen. Baby is sleeping in her cot upstairs in the dormer. I get a message saying the baby is cold. Baby's icon is not red (prob yelllow). Mum goes and gets the baby and takes it downstairs to feed it (what should she have done?). Social worker arrives, but can't interract with anyone as they are all busy. No messages on screen. Social worker leaves (normally I think). Baby disappears but her icon is still on the left as part of the family & mum is suddenly pregnant again. I run the house fore a few more sim hours, but nothing changes. I quit without saving.
I've had seasons for months and this is the first heat related problem I've had thanks to my awesome hacks. I thought the dormer problem was fixed in so far as I thought at all. It's one of those houses where the upstairs is widened in places by big dormers.
I have the current version of SShack.
Ness:
I've had problems with rooves since seasons too. Especially the maxis modern masterpiece where shed rooves form the upper story - snow wasn't getting in (which I've had in other houses), but the temperature would drop and freeze my sims while sleeping upstairs. I got around that one with some extra walls inside... but it seems that some of the more interesting roof structures are now unusable and borked completely when it comes to seasons.
Haven't had the social worker show up and make a sim pregnant, though.
J. M. Pescado:
I think the roof thing may actually be an intentional "feature". Isn't it normal that the attic is typically too hot or too cold?
Khan of Wyrms:
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2007 November 26, 09:25:28
I think the roof thing may actually be an intentional "feature". Isn't it normal that the attic is typically too hot or too cold?
I believe that may be giving mEAxis a bit too much credit. I don't think they actually came up with that idea on their own. I think it has to do with the accidental and rather arbitrary nature of dimensions used in the game.
It is the walls built in the attic that intersect the sloped roof walls that are the root of the problem. Previously, assuming no change of slope of the roof, one could construct a wall three grids from the edge of the floor plan so that they intersect with a sloped roof wall and create usable space in the attic, even without a dormer. The joint of the sloped roof wall and the regular wall is not a perfect fit, but it used to work well enough because there were no graphic anomalies of walls protruding through the roof. Somehow, it must be related to the stretched and arbitrary nature of the vertical dimension in the game that was more than likely done by nothing more scientific than 'eye-balling' to make it look right. If walls were truly three grids high and the roof slope is actually 45 degrees, and we know the Pythagorean theorem, then the walls built three grids from the edge of the plan would make a perfect fit. They do not, if one were to do this in 'walls-up' mode the roofs removed, it is plain that they do not, and there is a slight gap. This is where the outside temperature gets in, even if the ceiling is tiled as it apparently must be for Seasons, because roofs have no effect keeping weather out. It snows through the roof, requiring floor tiling above any usable interior space, which I think is proof enough that this was not an intentional feature.
In short, walls must be built to join sloped roof walls four grids from the edge, instead of three, in order to eliminate the tiny gap at the top of the wall junction and for them to make a weatherproof seal. This can be done by deleting the last grid section of wall and then building a diagonal wall from the third to the fourth row to make the junction with the sloped roof wall. A bit of a hassle, but normally not impossible to do. Another demonstration that this is an accident and game anomaly and not intentional, since such a basic fix would not even be a fix if the attic being cold or hot was on purpose.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: Khan of Wyrms on 2007 November 26, 10:25:11
It is the walls built in the attic that intersect the sloped roof walls that are the root of the problem. Previously, assuming no change of slope of the roof, one could construct a wall three grids from the edge of the floor plan so that they intersect with a sloped roof wall and create usable space in the attic, even without a dormer. The joint of the sloped roof wall and the regular wall is not a perfect fit, but it used to work well enough because there were no graphic anomalies of walls protruding through the roof. Somehow, it must be related to the stretched and arbitrary nature of the vertical dimension in the game that was more than likely done by nothing more scientific than 'eye-balling' to make it look right. If walls were truly three grids high and the roof slope is actually 45 degrees, and we know the Pythagorean theorem, then the walls built three grids from the edge of the plan would make a perfect fit. They do not, if one were to do this in 'walls-up' mode the roofs removed, it is plain that they do not, and there is a slight gap. This is where the outside temperature gets in, even if the ceiling is tiled as it apparently must be for Seasons, because roofs have no effect keeping weather out.
Now I think YOU are overthinking this. Do you honestly believe they did an air-permeability test? That is computationally expensive and FAR more work than they would think of doing, not to mention unnecessary. No, the roof walls simply don't count as "insulated", period. This problem will persist even if your house consists of a roof drawn straight along the ground, with no standard walls that intersect or touch it at all. It is almost certainly an intentional feature. There is no "little gap test".
Quote from: Khan of Wyrms on 2007 November 26, 10:25:11
It snows through the roof, requiring floor tiling above any usable interior space, which I think is proof enough that this was not an intentional feature.
Far as I can tell, it only snows through the nonstandard OFB roofs, and maybe the odd diagonal roofs.
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