Crash on resized lots at 7PM -- any ideas?
Simsample:
Pbox, I tested your new version 'No Lamp' of the backdoor lot and unfortunately there is no difference. I placed the lot in a clean hood, created a CAS sim and caused a crash at 18:59. I tried this three times with consistent results. So the version with the lamp and without the lamp are no different for me, I'm afraid!
Mootilda:
Quote from: Doc Doofus on 2007 October 28, 07:47:54
Well, you guys are making me nervous because I am not using a test neighborhood. I plopped my new house down in the middle of Pleasantview's Downtown suburb, so I have a game with many hundreds of Sims in the Characters folder.
I would be wary of using a non-test neighborhood at this time. We have seen more than one example of the game expanding any corruption that it finds to other sims and other houses within the neighborhood. The Ottomas family is a example - Maxis warned people not to play the Ottomas family because it might corrupt your entire neighborhood.
From the reading that I've done, it doesn't sound like there is only one crash here. Unless I'm reading incorrectly, some people are experiencing another crash which occurs when they first attempt to play the house, which cannot be a 7PM issue.
Also, everyone please remember - an intermittent crash means that many people can play this house without any problem - the fact that you manage to play without a problem is no guarantee that the problem won't occur the next time that you play.
I believe that pbox posted here in the hope that someone would be able to do some debugging based on the mini-dumps.
pbox:
Simsample,
thank you! I'll add this to my post above (rehash of possible factors / correlations / etc so far). I'll try to keep updating that post so that people can see what has already been tested/confirmed/disproved. Thanks, this was helpful.
Mootilda,
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From the reading that I've done, it doesn't sound like the there is only one crash here. Unless I'm reading incorrectly, some people are experiencing another crash which occurs when they first attempt to play the house, which cannot be a 7PM issue.
Yes -- however, reports of other crashes (on save, for example) have been so few and far between that I don't see how I can do anything about it. I get this kind of thing ("your lot made my game crash") with other lot uploads too, from time to time. This happens with every kind of upload (not only lots, and not only mine). I have no idea what kind of families people are using, what hacks they have etc .. in this thread I really want to concentrate on the 7PM issue *only*, otherwise we'll never see a result I'm afraid. Maybe, if we find out something about the 7PM issue, it'll fix those other crashes too, maybe not.
Agree with everything else you said.
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I believe that pbox posted here in the hope that someone would be able to do some debugging based on the mini-dumps.
Exactly. The crash logs have been downloaded, so I'm hoping that somebody is looking at them. Until then -- or even if nobody ever finds out anyting based on those logs -- I think it can still be helpful to try and narrow down the issue by testing. I imagine it might be easier to make sense of the crash logs when you know what to watch out for? Also, even if we don't find anything based on the logs, it would still be useful if we find out a consistent set of circumstances that leads, or may lead, to a crash. Or prevents a crash.
Many people have said that having row houses is more important to them than a possible crash, so whatever happens people *will* share this kind of lot. (Particularly since at least the time of the crash is known, so they can always save at 06:50PM and hope for the best)
pbox:
(Moved from R+D thread)
Quote from: Inge Jones
Plasticbox I have just had a thought. Was your light *on* when you saved the lot ready to shrink it?
No -- I'm sure about that. I made a screenshot last thing before exiting the lot. Daytime, light off.
Quote from: Mootilda
I see that someone already got a crash with your new download.
Exactly, that's why I posted about it. No crash wouldn't have proved anything, I agree.
Quote from: niol
lol, this is all new, and if there're problems. You're gonna be the hero who happen to show them out...
Don't panic for whatever cause...
I'm not panicking :). I'm prepared to look like an idiot when it turns out that it was something I did -- but that's going to be for a good cause, because then we will know what causes the crash and everyone else (me included) will be able to avoid it in the future. I actually hope that this is what's going to happen, as opposed to leaving the issue unresolved with a "shrunk lots may or may not crash depending on unknown circumstances". Again, people *will* share shrunk lots. There is no way around that.
Plus, it's a good thing that it's my lots that crash -- I have enough earlier uploads to be reasonably sure that it *does* have something to do with the fact that the lots are shrunk. Imagine that this would have happened to a first-time uploader.
pixiejuice:
I would like to be able to help you guys out, but I have not been able to reproduce this crash at all.
Pbox, I have played two of your houses - the Backdoor Lane 42, and Row House 01, as well as several of my own shrunken row houses. Both with my own Sims, and brand new, never-been-played CAS sims. Both with saving and without. All EPs, plenty of CC and mods. I am using my regular (custom) hood at the moment. 7:00 PM comes around and everything is fine. No crashing here.
Let me know if there is any particular scenario I could test.
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