Crash on resized lots at 7PM -- any ideas?
Zazazu:
Quote from: ladykatsim on 2007 November 01, 16:13:37
The lots were free standing, no others nearby. I could line some up and see what happens if you like. I think that space all the way round the 1x1 house could have something to do with it working ok. I have made some which a space on one side, but the other is to the edge - they crashed.
kat
No, that's ok. The reason I asked about neighbors was just that I had the thought that it could be something with encroaching shadows from neighbors. I tested them relatively far apart as well as together, but like I said, I'm not sure now that I did CAS sims. I think it was before the CAS difference was noticed. Anyways. Will test my unreleased brownstones (all are on the edges) with CAS again and see what they do, as well as the four adobes I did last night, plus the 2xX's from that set. If I get crashes, then I can save past the crash, repackage, and retest on my other account. My problem, even when testing others' lots, is that I've still only gotten one crash on Aelflaed's blue lot.
Just thinking.
Mootilda:
Quote from: Inge on 2007 November 01, 17:48:10
I'm wondering if we're all getting too bogged down in this issue. [...] All I am saying is, maybe the development of the LE can move forward and this doesn't need to be a complete obstruction.
Not a problem. Development is continuing. I've implemented adding and removing roads, a brand new UI for the advanced features based on everyone's feedback, changed the name to LotAdjuster, and am working on displaying the lot rotation / sun location. plasticbox is overseeing the crash issues on shrunken lots, so that I don't have to worry about the issue until there's something concrete that I can do.
Inge:
Good, good! :D
Emma:
Has anyone made lots that are adjusted down to a standard maxis size, such as a 3x3 reduced to a 2x2 or a 4x4 to a 3x3 etc, etc? Maybe it is because they are reduced to non-standard lot sizes that causes them to crash.
pbox:
Quote from: Inge on 2007 November 01, 17:48:10
As it turns out, belatedly, the people who made crashing lots experience crashes when playing their own lots. So if they had played them thoroughly during testing they would have known not to share those lots, or at least play them till they've passed their crashing period before packaging and sharing them.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. You are making this sound like "the people", read: me in the first place, carelessly posted corrupt lots all over the place, and now it turns out that people experience crashes, what a surprise .. this is NOT how it was, and you should know it (you're reading the R+D thread).
I did playtest my lot -- I crashed before anyone else did. Since I didn't (and couldn't) know about the CAS sim issue, I wasn't able to reproduce the crash. I posted in R+D about it, asking for playtesting assistance. Nobody was able to reproduce; Mootilda was asking whether or not the shrinking code was ready for public release. This is why I uploaded the Backdoor Lane lot in the first place -- to find out whether or not shrunk lots are safe.
I checked back on R+D several times before posting it, I labeled the lot very clearly as a *test*, and a lot of things we know now we know ONLY because of the feedback that people gave. Like, for example, the CAS sim issue. Like the fact that lots only ever seem to crash once. Like the fact that it's not in-game time, but nightfall that triggers the "7PM crash". Like the fact that it's not only my lots that crash, and that BV lots do crash as well, and that your suggestion on how to "make lots safe" does not work for everyone (see the posts by ladykatsim).
How is this "bogging down development"? You wouldn't know any of this if it weren't for the effort of all the people on here who went through endless boring testing sessions and took the time to report back. Quite likely, you wouldn't even know that there *is* a problem with shrunk lots in the first place.
Like Mootilda said, development of the LotExpander can continue just fine -- this thread is specifically about the shrinking feature, which is only one small part of what you can do with LE. For people who want to share lots, however, it's a very important small part.
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